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fera88 wrote:
bosnia.... sarajevo |
With all due respect, isn't that the city taht "created" the world war 1, and, after that, (without intentions) World war 2? |
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Sarejevo didn't start WW I, nor dit Gavrilo Princip. WW I started because (and this sounds really silly nowadays) there was an enormous tension between countries in Europe and urge for a war. Germany, together with Austria-Hungary, used the incident in Sarejevo to declare war on Yugoslavia. Due to a lot of alliances, most of Europe went into war all of a sudden. With all the consequences.
And I know, wrote several essays about it. History student.
It's true WW I eventually led to WW II. But you also can't blame that on Sarejevo. The peace of Versailles was a bigger factor in that. It frustrated Germany. |
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kerstman wrote:
Sarejevo didn't start WW I, nor dit Gavrilo Princip. WW I started because (and this sounds really silly nowadays) there was an enormous tension between countries in Europe and urge for a war. Germany, together with Austria-Hungary, used the incident in Sarejevo to declare war on Yugoslavia. Due to a lot of alliances, most of Europe went into war all of a sudden. With all the consequences.
And I know, wrote several essays about it. History student.
It's true WW I eventually led to WW II. But you also can't blame that on Sarejevo. The peace of Versailles was a bigger factor in that. It frustrated Germany. |
Yes, I know that, I didn't days that was saravejo fault, I said that it's there where " the WW I started", because of a murder. Then russian declared war, germany continued, british went to the war in fracne.... Russia got away (they start the war and then leave). Then germany atacks USA merchant fleets, and The allies get reinforcements.
At the end, England asks Portugal to confiscate German Boats, wich were in our beaches, and we went to a battle in south of France).
Then WW II started when a military (Hitler) wanted revenge.... |
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Sffc95 wrote:
kerstman wrote:
Sarejevo didn't start WW I, nor dit Gavrilo Princip. WW I started because (and this sounds really silly nowadays) there was an enormous tension between countries in Europe and urge for a war. Germany, together with Austria-Hungary, used the incident in Sarejevo to declare war on Yugoslavia. Due to a lot of alliances, most of Europe went into war all of a sudden. With all the consequences.
And I know, wrote several essays about it. History student.
It's true WW I eventually led to WW II. But you also can't blame that on Sarejevo. The peace of Versailles was a bigger factor in that. It frustrated Germany. |
Yes, I know that, I didn't days that was saravejo fault, I said that it's there where " the WW I started", because of a murder. Then russian declared war, germany continued, british went to the war in fracne.... Russia got away (they start the war and then leave). Then germany atacks USA merchant fleets, and The allies get reinforcements.
At the end, England asks Portugal to confiscate German Boats, wich were in our beaches, and we went to a battle in south of France).
Then WW II started when a military (Hitler) wanted revenge.... |
mm I prefer to say that the murder in Sarajevo was the trigger. Austria-Hungary declared war on Yugoslavia, Russia on A-H, Germany on Yugoslavia and Russia and eventually on Britain and France because they had an alliance with Russia.
Russia didn't start the war though, those were Austria-Hungary and Germany. We (the Dutch) remained neutral :p
Hitler wanted revenge, but that wasn't his biggest point. He wanted a super-Germany (Third Reich). WW II also didn't start just because of one person. Pay attention to the fact that Hitler was elected democratically, so you can't ignore the that there was a general sense of frustration in Germany. |
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