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The level also went down since a few years.
I'm playing casually since the beginning, not spending much time on the game, and i've always relied on my homegrown players.
During years all I could do was switching between Div II and Div III, but suddenly my team began to win with no real changes from myself, and now I'm playing in Top Div, and even won it once.
So no need to be a pro to reach Top Div. But it may also depends of leagues, they probably aren't all at the same level. |
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Did you have at that time 6 NT players?
Keep in mind that France is a very strong team and having 6 NT player isn't something you should forget! |
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Pulled today maybe worst youngster ever in game: most of skills 2, some 1, only strength is 4 and technique 5. Work ethic is 5 and as crown talent is 1(0.5 stars). Well, previous pull had WE 19 and talent 7 to balance things 
Promotion to second division is now confirmed. It will be interesting whether I'll gain some points too and how it will impact attendances. Surely I'll get some experience of higher level and understanding how far from that I am. Probably will sell most of team after next season and stay with youngsters to reduce costs and giving them more early experience. Maybe I can avoid some mistakes with them(training control to more cost-effective) I've done earlier. One I can't repair was too early expanding to 21K when attendances have been around 17K. |
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-10 goals loss to another freshly promoted team means there is no points coming this season  soon must start selling of older players to avoid bankrupcy. Now I see that promotion didn't help to increase attendances at all. Couple of seasons ago I had over 2M and now less than 100k. Not sure whether I can start again from zero and wait 5 more years to smell some competitiveness, so must avoid bankrupcy when it will knock on the door. |
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Hi, in my opinion it's because you have to much players with too big salaries for their age. (27 years old player with 21K salary means you make him progress too much in some caracteristics and not enough in other ones (if he is not a goalkeeper, of course).)
So yes, you have to sell or fire players.
2 options :
1 - sell all the big salaries and keep only your better youngs to train them better, more equaly, but yes, you shall be patient to be competitive.
2 - keep your top 7-8 players and younger ones but sell all the middle ones.
The first option seems to be the best to me, cause moreover you would make quickly a lot of money (at least you can keep a good goalkeeper to be sure to win some rounds in national cup against bot teams  ) and even, if you are open to that, create sooner a competitive roster (8 or 9 mature players) with international players. It's radical, but if you want to be very competitive some day, and avoid today's ankrupt, it's the only way in my opinion.  |
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It's damn difficult to sell any players at all. Probably I've trained them very wrong from the base and that's why I can sell only some players for 1000-2000€. Just fired some who were not worth even 1000€. After next league match against another 0p-club I must probably fire all best Estonian players(at least want to try getting any points). They would anyway never get to NT as Estonia never will get NT. If I survive financially there will be some falling, maybe to 4th league(was in red but now in positive again).
Are trainers with 15(positional) and 10(tech/phy) very bad combo? With one doctor they demand 104k p/w. How much would be worth keeper with GK skills 18 and 16? I have no idea about prices here and maybe asking from 1k may mean that because of low market activity price will not reach to 10k when player is maybe worth more. |
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Balthazor wrote:
It's damn difficult to sell any players at all. Probably I've trained them very wrong from the base and that's why I can sell only some players for 1000-2000€. Just fired some who were not worth even 1000€. After next league match against another 0p-club I must probably fire all best Estonian players(at least want to try getting any points). They would anyway never get to NT as Estonia never will get NT. If I survive financially there will be some falling, maybe to 4th league(was in red but now in positive again).
Are trainers with 15(positional) and 10(tech/phy) very bad combo? With one doctor they demand 104k p/w. How much would be worth keeper with GK skills 18 and 16? I have no idea about prices here and maybe asking from 1k may mean that because of low market activity price will not reach to 10k when player is maybe worth more. |
Hi,
You have so many players. Your salaries are as high as mine and I play in the top league.
Player prices? Now they are the highest they have ever been, because there is a minimum of good finished or young players on the market.
Why can't you sell them? Your big handicap is, that your country doesn't have NT. This drives down the prices drastically, as players at the peak of power without NT will go to retirement.
What about coach prices. It is necessary to keep at least one set at the maximum (20), because then the player is not training fully. That's another point why you can't sell.
Submissive and very important attribute for sales. Talent. There is absolutely no point in coaching players with talent under 3.5 stars. These players are good for starters, but not for the major leagues. And especially in the event of a sale.
If you need anything else, contact me before PM.
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And it's time to say goodbye to that generation. No point hope anymore as lost just to another team that had zero points. Had bad luck in cup draw too and met team from top league, so that's over too and nothing to fight for. Got sold my older keeper and if some other players are sellable too, the bankrupt will be repelled.(currently in + half thanks to sell) 104K for staff looks already lot, but after stabilizing finances I must probably get some coaches of them to 20. I don't imagine how I could manage it earlier way. Training itself is also little bit seeking in darkness. Once found from forum very old post with skills about what players need, but maybe it is not correct, something is maybe changed over years.
Keeper: one-on-ones, reflexes, agility
Outer defs: agility. blocking, marking, speed
Line defs: blocking, jumping, strength
Half defs: blocking, jumping, marking
Forward defs: blocking, marking, speed
Wingers: shooting, jumping, speed
CBs: passing, playmaking, technics
L/RBs: shooting jumping, passing
Pivot: strength, off-the-ball, agility
I calculated sums of these skills and after comparing them decided, who fits better to which position and tried to set training that way too. If player looked poor in all defensive or offensive positions, I started with overall training of weaker half and specialized later.
For next generations of new users I suggest: stop your arena upgrades at 18k and consider 21k only if your 18k is getting full! I rushed with that and from that point started to lose some money as I can't fill it in League 2. Just get previous home match first time over 18k border.
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Balthazor wrote:
And it's time to say goodbye to that generation. No point hope anymore as lost just to another team that had zero points. Had bad luck in cup draw too and met team from top league, so that's over too and nothing to fight for. Got sold my older keeper and if some other players are sellable too, the bankrupt will be repelled.(currently in + half thanks to sell) 104K for staff looks already lot, but after stabilizing finances I must probably get some coaches of them to 20. I don't imagine how I could manage it earlier way. Training itself is also little bit seeking in darkness. Once found from forum very old post with skills about what players need, but maybe it is not correct, something is maybe changed over years.
Keeper: one-on-ones, reflexes, agility
Outer defs: agility. blocking, marking, speed
Line defs: blocking, jumping, strength
Half defs: blocking, jumping, marking
Forward defs: blocking, marking, speed
Wingers: shooting, jumping, speed
CBs: passing, playmaking, technics
L/RBs: shooting jumping, passing
Pivot: strength, off-the-ball, agility
I calculated sums of these skills and after comparing them decided, who fits better to which position and tried to set training that way too. If player looked poor in all defensive or offensive positions, I started with overall training of weaker half and specialized later.
For next generations of new users I suggest: stop your arena upgrades at 18k and consider 21k only if your 18k is getting full! I rushed with that and from that point started to lose some money as I can't fill it in League 2. Just get previous home match first time over 18k border.
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Those skills are the most important. You need to take into account various playing styles. So, basically you need to train your players more overall, I mean almost any offensive and defensive skill. Every position mainly use just several skills, but still best players are complete in the meaning of having as many skills developed as possible. I would just suggest to avoid training only 3-4 skills. You will end up with high wages and the history will repeat  |
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| Keepers need "technical" too. |
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