| nolife |  |
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Well... i'm a little bit upset about today's match 25-37 vs Vita Eleganterna ... Without taking his credit for the win, i think there were some bugs because of the following reasons that i'm going to mention right away... I sent a message to jofre so he can clarify me but i'm also opening the subject to you so i can have a better view/perspective from the higher managers out there... Dragaur, Goldmaker, frank, stenos, chrill, everyone in TD...
I used Jump Shot against his 6-0 (so i should get an extra bonus with it)...
I used 3-3 defense against his attack (that i believe he used Jump Shot so i should get an extra bonus too, right?)
I can see his players have an average of almost/more 200cm height and they're all ice-cold pressure, so they win against my average height and my pressure, because i have 4 bit-nervous and 3 ice-cold...
This should have been a tight match and not a 12 difference of goals... My goalie-octopus, 10-15-15-14 made only 1 defense in the whole match! How come? My players have good defense skills, physical sort of and attack and technique good ones too... How did i lose for 12 goals?
And another thing!! How can a match for the Regional Cup, between 2 TOP1 in Div. II only fill 17000 seats in a stadium for 21000?
How many bugs did this game had? I'm really upset of the 12 difference goals... i could lose for 2/3 goals... i don't know the skills of his players but i know the way my players are trained, they did not deserve such a heavy defeat...
Hope hearing from you! And good luck for the ones who are still in the competition! And feel free to answer here  |
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| Draugr | |
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Without going into the details of your match, Ive been suspecting for some time there is in fact a bug in this game giving away team an advantage in cup/LoC games. Going through my own LoC/Cup losses (only counting games where I actually fielded a competitive team, I played rookies a couple of times in LoC for 20 mins after I no longer had a chance to go through, and obviously, those would distort the stats):
LoC Home: 4 loss 1 draw
LoC away: 0 loss 0 draw
Cup Home: 2 loss 0 draw
Cup away: 0 loss 0 draw
Basically, to the best of my knowledge, I never lost or even tied a game in either cup or LoC when playing as away team. However as a home time Ive had some setbacks I didnt expect. And Ive won some away games surprisingly easy against opponents I expected to be very strong.
Hardly conclusive evidence, but Ive seen too much smoke to not wonder if there's something to it.
I believe me and MSNBC never managed to win a game against the other in our own home venue, and we basically played every season of LoC.
I considered trying to report it for a while, but I kinda didnt bother. I have better things to do than ask the admins to fix lesser (albeit severe) issues with a game that is fundamentally broken in a way they refuse to fix) |
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| Chrill | |
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Well i was sincerly asked to give some input here so I'll do that. I thoght beforehand that this should have been a tight game judging from previous match ratings.
I also ran the game through my game analyzer in excel and there were three things that stood out between your teams.
1. Vita eleganterna's shooting is close to flawless
2. Offensive fouls (24 for SUPERPLAYERS, 8 for Vita Eleganterna)
3. SUPERSTAR scoring drooped as the game continued (fatigued more)
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Vita eleganterna clearly has very very high goalscoring capabilities when his players get an opportunity. He averages 37 goals in his league ... So let's conclude his shooting skills are quite awesome, and should be around 90-95% against most teams.
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This is for me the deciding factor here and it's all about how defence operates. I'd say it's about him placing his defenders better, and also has better players suited for the tactic he chooses. So good that the "tactic bonus" is quite irrelevant.
This is an example why the tactic bonus is irrelevant compared to the importance of placing you players in the right position according to his skills.
I'll give an example that mathimatically illustrate this in an elegant manner and then you can reflect on the following case...
You face a team that is playing jumpshots. These are the options available for you:
A: 3-3 defence, your defence players averages 3* match rating
B: 6-0 defence, your defence players averages 4* match rating
What do you choose?
You should know that 3* matchrating roughly equals the average of 6 skill points in this skill set, and 4* is roughly the average of 8 (both are actually alittle higher but let's asume this as a base).
Now let's consider the tactical bonus on top of this...
A = 6 * 1,1 = 6,6
B = 8 * 0,9 = 7,2
B > A ... So option B wins, and will ALWAYS win when the skill average difference is higher than at least 2 (and thus for 1* matchrating) ...
3.)
Both teams used few players, but SUPERSTAR played 3-3 def, so the offensive players there would tire over the course of the game and perform worse. Which also the scoring development showed...
Scoring Development
0 - 5 min: 1 - 0
6 - 10 min: 4 (3) - 4 (4)
11 - 15 min: 7 (3) - 7 (3)
16 - 20 min: 10 (3) - 10 (3)
21 - 25 min: 13 (3) - 13 (3)
26 - 30 min: 16 (3) - 17 (4)
31 - 35 min: 17 (1) - 21 (4)
36 - 40 min: 19 (2) - 25 (4)
41 - 45 min: 21 (2) - 27 (2)
46 - 50 min: 23 (2) - 31 (4)
51 - 55 min: 23 (0) - 35 (4)
56 - 60 min: 25 (2) - 37 (2)
So was the result unrealistic? It was maybe 4-5 goals bigger than expected but could happen imo. At least by my knowledge of how the engine works.
(sorry for writing wrong team name in text first, edited that part) |
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| nolife | |
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draugr: Really nice info there ;o this game is all wrong... away team advantage? :o why's that? completely absurd...
chrill:
You face a team that is playing jumpshots. These are the options available for you:
A: 3-3 defence, your defence players averages 3* match rating
B: 6-0 defence, your defence players averages 4* match rating
What do you choose?
You should know that 3* matchrating roughly equals the average of 6 skill points in this skill set, and 4* is roughly the average of 8 (both are actually alittle higher but let's asume this as a base).
Now let's consider the tactical bonus on top of this...
A = 6 * 1,1 = 6,6
B = 8 * 0,9 = 7,2
B > A ... So option B wins, and will ALWAYS win when the skill average difference is higher than at least 2 (and thus for 1* matchrating) ...
Are you saying that 6-0 is better than 3-3 against Jump Shot? But isn't that the opposite?
And i'm not LuckyStar team  my team is SUPERPLAYERS! Altought they were not that SUPER today... ;/
And how about the fact that we didn't fulfill the arena? i'm not adding seats nor building a higher arena... |
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| Draugr | |
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nolife wrote:
draugr: Really nice info there ;o this game is all wrong... away team advantage? :o why's that? completely absurd...
chrill:
You face a team that is playing jumpshots. These are the options available for you:
A: 3-3 defence, your defence players averages 3* match rating
B: 6-0 defence, your defence players averages 4* match rating
What do you choose?
You should know that 3* matchrating roughly equals the average of 6 skill points in this skill set, and 4* is roughly the average of 8 (both are actually alittle higher but let's asume this as a base).
Now let's consider the tactical bonus on top of this...
A = 6 * 1,1 = 6,6
B = 8 * 0,9 = 7,2
B > A ... So option B wins, and will ALWAYS win when the skill average difference is higher than at least 2 (and thus for 1* matchrating) ...
Are you saying that 6-0 is better than 3-3 against Jump Shot? But isn't that the opposite?
And i'm not LuckyStar team my team is SUPERPLAYERS! Altought they were not that SUPER today... ;/
And how about the fact that we didn't fulfill the arena? i'm not adding seats nor building a higher arena... |
Im not certain this is the case. Ive just seen so many games between players where the away team perform much better than expected. Ive rarely seen home teams play much better than expected though. Could be random, but I doubt it. I very much doubt its intentional, so if it is, its probably a bug. |
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| Chrill | |
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Are you saying that 6-0 is better than 3-3 against Jump Shot? But isn't that the opposite?
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My point was that individual player performance is far more important than tactical system. The tactical system just enhance player performance by a variable, but all calculations are more or less based on the player's skills, or rather a set of skills for the task he's about to do. The example was made to show that your players would play better in 6-0 under those circumstances.
Sooo... I'm saying that the defensive system you choose is less important than how your players perform individually in the positions in it. Simply put... Play your players were they perform best and you'll get good results. |
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| nolife | |
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Thanks for all the answers, opinions, point of view people! it's all clear now  |
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| nolife | |
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| BTW, admins told me there is a daily formula and random factor in my match... don't exactly know what it means but this sure doesn't come in the FAQ... |
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| lstar | |
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nolife wrote:
BTW, admins told me there is a daily formula and random factor in my match... don't exactly what it means but this sure doesn't come in the FAQ... |
it says that you can put your best tactic
but the final result his always luck |
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| frank22 | |
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lstar wrote:
nolife wrote:
BTW, admins told me there is a daily formula and random factor in my match... don't exactly what it means but this sure doesn't come in the FAQ... |
it says that you can put your best tactic
but the final result his always luck |
I wouldn't exactly put it that way.
I would actually say that this game is far less random compared to many other managergames. |
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